Evil Porn Werewolf Enslavers Debunked
One of the common mostly-false slams against porn in this era of globalisation is that the performers are mostly coerced sex slaves, or at least impoverished scared young girls with few options. (I’m not making this up as a straw man argument; see, e.g., the Biting Beaver (her term): “You CANNOT know if the girl you are masturbating to is, in reality, a sexual slave from Austria who has a gun pointed at her head just off camera.“)
Yeah. And you cannot know that the bottle of salad dressing you pour on your salad isn’t full of stale unpasteurized jizz from bored wanking food factory workers, either. But that doesn’t make it likely, or stop you from eating creamy salads. Why not? Because of branding. If you worry about funky jizz in your dressing, you buy a reputable brand from a company you trust, one that’s got white-coated vat inspectors and security cams all over the factory floor. And, if you really worry, you do research. You get a tour of the factory, or (more likely) read the article in Consumer Reports by the reporter who worked there for three days undercover. The point is, you check into it a little bit.
This is perfectly possible with porn. By way of local example, these issues came up in a peripheral way in this post about real sex in BDSM porn, where a couple of readers suggested in the comments that making such porn was degrading and unsafe for the models, only to be confronted by other readers who were able to vouch for the porn company in question based on personal acquaintance with the models and producers.
And that’s how you check out your porn brand. Research. You look for accounts (which are all over the web, since many models have blogs) of what it’s like to work for a particular porn company, how they treat their people, how the sets are run, whatever you’re worried about. Of course you can’t disprove sensationalist claims about porn factories full of enslaved Eastern European beauties this way — folks who want to cling to that fantasy will continue to do so, brandishing their “news” stories from The Weekly World News, National Enquirer, and Reader’s Digest — but you can satisfy yourself, along with any other reasonable people who might be curious, that the porn you buy is sex slave free.
To pick another flamboyantly outrageous example, how about the notoriously severe spanking and caning DVDs produced by Lupus Pictures? They are often cited as an example of a company that must abuse and exploit its models, because what right-thinking innocent girl would voluntarily consent to an ass-whipping that leaves her in tears with flaming red welts on her bottom? (Short answer: There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreampt of in your philosophy.)
Here are couple of a relatively mild screen capture samples so we know what we are talking about, courtesy of Lupus Spanking [2014 update: now defunct]:
And now some samples from an article by and an interview with Niki Flynn, who went to Prague to make a movie with these “evil werewolves from the East”. From the article (link broke awhile ago, see this .txt mirror):
I never thought of myself as a girl who could survive a Lupus-style caning. I cringe and wince when I watch the films and say, “There’s no way I could take that!” I’d heard the internet rumours, of course — about the innocent, impoverished Czech girls who are seduced by the money into being abused by the evil werewolves from the East. But I’d look at the “behind-the-scenes” pictures on the website and see everyone having a good time, laughing and horsing around, even after the canings. So the rumours never seemed to have any substance. Besides, the same girls turn up again and again to do films; they clearly know what to expect.
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The thing that impressed me most of all was the consummate professionalism of everyone involved. This was not a group of pornographers making dirty pictures, nor was it a cruel band of misogynists delighting in taking advantage of girls who couldn’t say no. This was a real film crew working on a real film. In addition to the director, producer, script supervisor, makeup artist, properties and wardrobe mistress, caterer, cameramen, boom operator, still photographer, actors and (ahem) stunt girls, there were people on hand to offer us refreshments, comfort or anything else we needed.
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Did it hurt? Of course. Did I enjoy it? Absolutely not. Do I regret it? Not for a moment. In fact, I had the time of my life. So did William. I knew exactly what I was getting into and I did it because this is what I like. And when it was over and I lay sobbing over the desk, I felt what mountain climbers must feel when they reach the peak. I was so high on the feeling of accomplishment and so lost in the roleplay that I nearly wished I could have some more! And when I look at the marks now I have a sense of pride and achievement. I savor the marks. No one who isn’t into this can ever truly understand. Boxers and footballers suffer broken noses and concussions. No one criticizes them or calls their sport unhealthy. What we do is so much safer. It’s really a shame so many people misunderstand.
Hmm, she doesn’t sound helpless or exploited, does she?
From her interview:
David: There are many rumors about the girls who perform in Lupus productions. Some believe that they attract poor, starving, drug-addicted Eastern European Girls. Now I know that this isn’t true. Prague is often referred to as ‘The Paris of the east”. The Czech Republic is not a third world country. What myths about Lupus would you most like to dispel?
Niki: (Sigh) Yes, the famous urban legends. I think that those rumors are insulting to the girls actually. It’s true, some people think of the Czech Republic as a third world country and that the girls are all uneducated and bullied into it. Or, they have no choice because they are so desperate for money they will do anything. The truth is that the Czech Republic isn’t a third world country; it’s a middle income country that has just joined the European Union. Most of the Lupus crew are friends on the Czech BDSM scene. Some of the girls do it because they are genuinely kinky — they come back again and again. Some may do it for money, but it’s not a crust of bread. They are paid a professional rate. On the set, they are treated as professional actors. The production team at Lupus couldn’t have been more professional or more concerned for my safety — for all of the performers’ safety.
And that’s how you know that the girl in your favorite video doesn’t have an off-camera gun pointed at her head.
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Bacchus,
I hope you’ll forgive me for saying this is one of the best things you’ve ever written since I’ve been a reader (not that I don’t enjoy the photo entries).
Very warmest regards.
This is such a tiring idea that all the poor girls in those porn images are really abused,exploited sex slaves being coerced into what they are doing.
Could we not just think for a moment that that sweet little blonde getting spanked actually LIKE getting spanked or likes being cuffed and stuffed, every hole filled or what not… that it is a TURN ON for her? OH NO of course not all good little girls only want straight missionary sex with the lights out for the sheer purpose of pro creation. I am tired of this image of women being these innocent non sexual creatures.
BULLSHIT!!
I have been in the BDSM scene here in the Midwest, for the last seven years. In that time I have seen many, many women take a hell of a lot and give a hell of a lot and come back asking for more.
So if it can happen, as you say in the bedrooms, dungeons, front parlors etc. across this country, how hard is it to imagine that all of those women in those images are enjoying what is being done to them and are getting ( shock ) PAID for it.
It pisses Me off that porn gets such a bad rap.
Just posted a big ole rant on it at My blog earlier this week.
I do think Porn needs to be more diverse I will say that. I think that as more women admit their interest in porn we will see that diversity. But to believe that porn is nothing more then some evil man holding a gun to the head of some sweet thing while she performs sex acts is a very outdated way of viewing it.
Wake up and see that porn is a very vibrant industry with many professionals, who truly enjoy what they are doing.
My soapbox took over,I had meant to also say, that I totally agree with all that you have said here. Hopefully more people will start seeing the truth of the matter on all this. ( wishful thinking with the climate of the govt right now. But hey a girl can dream can’t she?)
Richard and Mim, thanks for the compliments and support!
I’m glad that you made the point that you not only can, but should check out who produces your porn, and what standards they have.
I really wish there was some informaiton clearing house for models. If anyone knows of such a thing, let me know.
Sinboy, I’m not sure I went so far as to say that you “should” check out who produces your porn — in most cases, that would be almost as pointless as checking out your salad dressing supplier (which probably does not, in actual fact, put jizz in your product). My point is that you *can* check, and because you can (and people do), there are lots and lots of perfectly reputable porn producers. Which, of course, undermines the “it’s all sex slaves” anti-porn myth that’s been getting so much currency lately.
You might want to use a ‘shoes made by forced child labor’ analogy instead of a salad dressing one.
Would it be pointless to check? I can’t say if it would be for you, but it is important to me. I’d encourage people to check, much in the way I encourage people to make sure that a produt they buy is ethicaly produced.
from that perspective, I think people should know if the porn they consume is produced ethicaly because it’s the right thing to do. It’s not an imperative, but it is strongly ethical.
I actually want to masturbate to the phrase:
“The girl you are masturbating to is, in reality, a sexual slave from Austria who has a gun pointed at her head just off camera.”
:P
I guess this all goes back to the notion some people entertain that women are mostly virginal and innocent an men are sexual predators.
Sinboy, I don’t strongly disagree with the point you are making, I just want to be very clear that when you start talking about what people “should” do, it’s *your* point and not mine. My ethics don’t much let me prescribe “shoulds” for other people, and so I try not to do it. And so I wanted to be clear that I hadn’t done it, when you said I had.
I’m not a fan of porn. Not the mainstream shit. I think it’s inaccurate to what the majority of folks enjoy doing.
That said, I don’t delude myself that the chicks are all virginal and doing it against their wishes. That’s fucking preposterous.
I like the idea of being ethical about the porn you watch. That’s awesome. In a reality check kind of way, though, I think you’re kidding yourself if you think the majority of viewers give a shit.
I wish that wasn’t so, but the fact is, it’s about the eroticism, not the ethics.
Great posting, though. Awesome.
Good article Bacchus, a well thought out piece of writing.
I completely agree. If people feel unsure about the brand of any product they are looking at, then all they have to do is check.
A site recently asked to link to one of my 3 sites. They seemed okay.
Once they had linked, I realised that some of their stuff was more than a little dodgey, and I immediately suspended the link.
But I am linked to lots of good porn sites, (I even have a link to erosblog :)) and they are all really good sites, with lots of people happily enjoying themselves.
There will be bad guys in any industry, but they are generally the minority.
Some people just find it difficult to comprehend that there are lots of people who really do enjoy being tied up, or spanked or any number of interesting connotations.
The human race is interesting because we are all so varied in our likes and dislikes.
Long may they continue!
Good post Bacchus!
> Boxers and footballers suffer
> broken noses and concussions. No
> one criticizes them or calls their
> sport unhealthy.
Re Boxers: except that they do.
The assumption is that most producers (and consumers) of porn are ethical, yet one can’t deny that there is a small percentage that taints it for everyone else, for example, there is a certain HARDCORE (hint hint) porn director who has been accused by some of his female stars of going too far, and I can vouch that his stuff is wildly popular at the porn store I worked at. Do people really care if their porn is consensual? I think most don’t give it much thought, just as most don’t care whether their athletic shoes are made by child labor.
Just to play devil’s advocate:
Someone arguing the other side would probably argue that, due to our patriarchical society, women are conditioned to enjoy being exploited. That just because she enjoyed it doesn’t mean it wasn’t exploitation.
It’s essentially a variant on Marxist “false conciousness” doctrine, that women (or workers) buy into the exploitative ideology and thus don’t know what’s good for themselves.
INotI, the trouble with your “false consciousness” argument is that it’s the ideology of enslavement. Built right into the postulate that people can’t know what’s good for themselves is the idea that somebody *else* knows better, and should therefore have the right to control the poor people who can’t tell their own good. A nasty and foul rhetorical trick to justify political power over others, and I reject it categorically.
INOTI, this idea of women being conditioned is a bit stale these days, and as a woman, I really wonder at the motives behind it.
I know a few female friends who enjoy nothing more than going to a club where they can induldge in some heavy duty spanking.
Often, they are the ones doing it.
No-one pays them to do this.
They just love it!
It is hard to believe, folks, but some girls actually LIKE to have a can of whoop ass opened up on them.
“Sticks and Stones may Break my Bones, but Whips and Chains excite me!” :O
Wow! Very informative. It’s not my kind of porn, but I had always wondered about films like that. I’m very releived to know that these girls are treated so professionally.
ahem, are we not condoning the industry on an interview with one actress?? some of what Niki said sounded a bit scripted. Having said that it is obvious that these girls know what to expect.
Bravo, Bacchus, and bravo Niki Flynn!
After being on many a porn set, I don’t know if it’s actually possible to produce non-consensual porn without being arrested on the spot. Adult productions are more professional and ethical than any mainstream or commercial shoot I’ve ever been on. Porn industry people deal with legal threats, lawsuits and paranoid outcries of violence and misogyny every single day they go to work. These companies go out of their way to make sure everyone knows what’s going on. This means booking, scene/shot breakdown, blocking, etc. Being on a porn set is actually very unsexy and non-threatening.
By law, filming sex must be consensual. It makes no sense to shoot non-consensual sex with unwilling performers and risk jail time when there are plenty of eager women and men (whether eager for money or pleasure) who readily agree to shoot the kind of footage that makes people wince.
As for that HARDCORE producer with the bad reputation, I think his work is a perfect example of porn that gets called out for being what it *appears* to be: non-consensual sex. The molestation/rape/coercion fantasy is a HUGE red flag, and (I’d argue) an even bigger turn-on because of that.
I’ve always been a Max Hardcore fan because he pushes the limits in ways that even I can’t stomach sometimes. But what you see on camera is not what’s happening behind the scenes. I don’t think he wants his fans to know that each performer is put through literally the most detailed consent/compliance process in American porn. It might ruin the taboo to know that the girl who looks like she’s crying and being molested has actually consented to everything she’s doing, or having done to her, on both paper and video, prior to engaging in such demeaning and misogynistic acts.
Max Hardcore’s record keeping is probably the most detailed and, uh, anal, that I’ve seen in the industry, and the girls are shown exactly what they’ll be getting into before he starts shooting the scene.
Yes, there have been several girls who’ve had bad experiences with him. He’s certainly not for everyone. But these girls are shown (in great detail) what they’re signing up for, and basically checking off what they are and aren’t willing to do. Watch his videos closely, and you’ll see how carefully he follows each performer’s “consent list.”
If they’ve had a bad experience while doing Max Hardcore videos, it’s not because they didn’t know what to expect, or because he pulled a surprise act to shock them. It’s because they’re not cut out for shooting that kind of footage, and they probably don’t need to be doing any kind of porn or sex work at all.
The FBI has their guns aimed at Max Hardcore’s head (literally – he was just raided for the third time three weeks ago) – he’s not a stupid man; he knows he has been pushing the limits of American porn for over 10 years, and he covers his ass as much as he can. He may not make the kind of porn you enjoy (at least, not openly), and he might turn your stomach, but his product sells like crazy because he’s the only person in this country who has the balls to produce such hard footage. I respect him for that – and he’s actually a pretty nice guy.
I’m glad he has the freedom to make his disgusting filth, and I’m glad I have the freedom to buy every second of it.
P.S. It might be of interest to know that over 40% of all Max Hardcore retail consumers are female. I haven’t met a lady yet who doesn’t enjoy some form of coercion fantasy. It’s a huge turn on, and one that I wish pornographers could comfortably and *consensually* explore more.
(Disclosure: I’m the anonymous poster who was nicknamed “Mr Macarena” by Biting Beaver, for daring to critique her argument on her site. The “Acceptable Losses and What’s Your Number” post on her site was more or less directed at me.)
The thrust of Biting Beaver’s argument is that you shouldn’t place trust in an industry where even the most mainstream publishers (her examples: Playboy, Penthouse) have unwittingly published photos of (maybe) coerced or underage girls (examples: Linda Lovelace, Traci Lords).
That there are only a couple of proven examples to point to makes the argument weak, but that’s not Biting Beaver’s point. The absurd unlikelihood of legitimate porn producers knowingly distributing evidence of a crime is also not the point.
She advocates the closure of the entire porn industry, based on the unavoidable possibility of coercion occuring in some porn, somewhere, sometime. Planting the seed of doubt in reader’s minds by making them question how well they know their porn sources is a victory in itself.
Bacchus, you make your point here extremely well (pun intended), but the “my porn is OK, I checked” argument means nothing to these people.
In my tortuous, masochistic attempts to debate directly with BB, I realised that there is one issue that they always sidestep, ignore, refuse to comment on.
It’s *possible* for consensual pornography to be made. This is clearly a free speech issue, a right that is (in the US at least) constitutionally protected.
They don’t like this, but they have a hard time arguing against it.
“They don’t like this, but they have a hard time arguing against it.”
Ha! No, they don’t — just check out the October 22 post titled “Here’s Your Free Speech, You Fuckers”. Includes a gratuitous suggestion that Eros Blog readers read stories more vile than the notorious Jake Baker rape/snuff email, and concludes with “There’s no civility left in my tiny cold black hard for fuckers who scream “free speech” at me anymore…. If this is “free speech”, I’m starting a foundation to turn us into a nation of mutes.”
No, they don’t have any trouble arguing against free speech.
Oh so much here. Firstly, I think any argument that the patriarchy has conditioned me to get wet when my husband flogs me is specious.
I may have been socially conditioned to stay at home and wash dishes (although I went to law school and now I write smut), but as a feminist and someone who has spent a great deal of time discussing patriarchy and oppression, I must step off the bus when it comes to the argument that being a sexual submissive is a social condition of sexism.
Now, are there misogynistic assholes out there who use BDSM as a cloak to abuse their wives/partners/subs? Hell yes. Abusers are clever, they’ll use what they can. But it’s faulty logic to extrapolate that out to make it the norm.
In any case, I do agree that one should check out their porn source. But I check out the people who make my shoes too. I don’t find a huge amount of comfort in assurances by the makers of these movies that women in the third world (and yes, the Czech Republic is on the brink of the third world and certainly most of Eastern Europe is) are just fine. But you know, women in the first world do things for money they wouldn’t normally do either and where do you draw the line? Certainly at using violence and coercion to force women to be abused for money, but again, I could argue that lots of things not even porn related are using the threat of violence to get people to do things for money. That’s what desperation will do to you.
Okay, this is long and turning into an essay on class and gender so I’ll quit now.
*laughs* I got so angry reading BB’s rant Matt almost had to spank me! :angry: (he gave me a warning, so I was able to stop myself in time)
I thought about replying, but I don’t really want to put a lot of effort into a reply that will be dismissed as soon as it’s read. (which it would – posters who disagree with her are usually ridiculed.)
Besides, who knows what she would say about spanking videos… nevermind that I know several video actors and actresses as well as producers and guess what? No guns, no violence, no rapes, no coercion… just lots and lots of spanking. :)
:P
BB’s rant made me mad too.
Yay for Bacchus!
I am a self sufficient 26yr old that makes more than my fiancĂ©. As he’s so bad with money his wages go into my account and I sort out the bills. We’re both happy with this, as we both get to but what we like out of the remaining disposable income.
As you can no doubt tell, I’m a bit of a control freak.
However, in the bedroom department I am a submissive in a D&S & BDSM way that would make BB scream in rage, and I think that’s fine.
If people want to watch, that’s fine too. If I could find someone to pay me to do it – even better :)
Lots of girls really do like this kind of thing………
I’m not at all persuaded by the argument about direct coercion, as in the “gun to the head” idea. But there are some safety issues that do bother me, such as the lack of safe sex in porn. Very rare to see a condom in porn but if we don’t work to make condoms sexy, make them part of our sexual imagery, then there are issues for all of us, as well as for the women and men who work in the porn industry. As for women and coercion, I think the more difficult arguments are much more general–raising girls into women who think beauty matters most of all–and affect all of our lives (including those of us outside the mainstream beauty ideals who still want to feel sexy). But those arguments count as much or more against Cosmo and other women’s magazines which have a much more narrow representation of beauty than does porn.
Also, if you’re not someone who has any connection to kink or BDSM it’s easy to think that no would ever consent to do that. Once you know people who do, or you become a person who does, consent to pretty rough treatment for FUN, then it’s much easier to see why someone would consent to it for PAY. Anyway, I have bigger beefs with mainstream porn–the fluffy teenagers of Playboy and Maxim–than I do with any of the BDSM porn, in which the women look like real people to me, with real emotions and expressions. Thanks for your blog. Usually I just read but wanted to get my 2 cents in here.