Personal Hygiene Tips From Venus
Mistress Matisse was writing about her shoot earlier in the week for Everything Butt, when she diverged onto a tangent about anal hygiene. (Bluntly: how to wipe your ass.) She wrote:
I myself have been playing with people’s asses for a long time, and I am a little casual about it. No, I am not into scat. Yes, if you want me to play with your ass, you should definitely clean it up. (I cannot tell you how many boys I have seen over the years who did not even wipe themselves properly. I’m serious. I think little boys do not get trained about wiping themselves as much as little girls do, or something.
Here’s how you do it, gentlemen. While you are still sitting, wipe, and then look at the toilet paper. Is it dirty? Drop it, get a fresh handful and wipe again. Repeat this until the paper shows no smudges. Is that clear? The while you’re sitting part is important because it means your ass is more spread open and thus easier to clean.)
When I saw that, I boggled, and then I went back and read it again. Nope, still boggled.
So: “No. No, that is not clear. Not at all clear. In fact, it is perfectly perplexing.”
I refer specifically to the charge that one should conduct this operation while sitting. More specifically: What? The? Fuck?
I am somewhat larger than the average bear. Mistress Matisse, doubtless, is somewhat smaller than me (this is understatement). But I still do not understand how she, or anyone else, can wipe their ass whilst still sitting firmly on the toilet, unless: 1) they have been endowed with the mysterious power of passing their hand (and bumwad) through porcelain as if it were air, or 2) they have an ass that is less than six inches wide or nine inches long.
I have numbers to back this up. I went to my bathroom and measured my toilet seat. It is standard; I know this to be so because I bought it from Wal-Mart. The hole in the seat is an ellipse, approximately 8.5 inches on the minor axis (width) and 11 inches on the major axis (length).
The diameter of my hand across the base while grasping a wad of paper in a loose fist is approximately four inches. This, admittedly, is much larger than usual; I have huge hands. Let’s divide that by two — I’ve met women with hands half the size of my own.
So, thus. Assume that one positions the organ of excretion approximately over the center of the hole, for symmetry and avoidance of extraneous mess. While sitting in that position, in order to reach through the hole and into the bowl (where the area to be wiped is positioned, if one follows the Mistress’s directions) there would need to be a gap larger than two inches, somewhere.
Let’s rule out going in from the front (might work for a woman if she had two elbows and rubber bones, but a man has complicating topology.) One side or the other might sort of work, albeit inefficiently due to the orientation of the axis of the butt crease; but that would require sitting on the throne in a significantly lopsided way, with the business at hand being more than two inches off center — a bad idea given that we’ve only got just over eight inches to work with here.
No, I assume that she’s proposing to reach around and go in from behind, to take advantage of local topological conditions. And that means that her instructions will only work for people who have, when sitting, butt cheeks that occupy at least two inches less than the five and a half inches present between the center of the seat hole and the rear edge. So, doing the math, 5.5 minus 2.0 equals 3.5. Quod erat demonstrandum; if, when seated, your butt print extends more than three and a half inches to the rear of your anus, Mistress Matisse’s instructions are not practical.
When I was four years old, I was about that size, and used a procedure much like the recommended one; but not once I grew even unto the size of a middle schooler.
From all of this we must conclude one of two things. Either Mistress Matisse is considerably smaller than hitherto suspected, or by “sitting” she means some version of that squatting/hovering/crouch maneuver that lithe women are said to use in deeply disgusting public bathrooms. Which would certainly be possible, only why didn’t she say so? And why would she go to that extra effort, when, even standing, it’s really not that hard to wipe until, as she puts it, “the paper shows no smudges”? (Personally, and this will be TMI if nothing else so far has been, I’m a fan of those moisturized cleansing wipes that come in a discrete plastic tub for storage on the top of your toilet tank. They do a much better job than paper.)
Or, just as possible, there’s some flaw in my assumptions. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anybody wipe their ass from any less than about thirty feet away, and that would have been outside under hunting camp conditions where no throne was present and no ass play was incipient. Maybe everybody but me shits into the front two inches of their toilet, directly onto the sloping porcelain above the water line (accepting the extra cleaning burden) to leave room for just such post-elimination procedures. I dunno.
What I do know, what I already knew, is that women are alien creatures, who sometimes speak to us in what sounds like the language we know, but the words (individually clear and distinct) convey nothing but confusion and perplexity when considered together.
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Bacchus,
this is why the bidet was invented.
My N American solution is shower straight after.
Eube
I am a man and luckily do it exactly as she says, I still sit forward and am able to do it just fine, however I do have to lean forward a bit for it to work. Everything she says makes perfect sense to me, though I am about of an average size.
Uhm, wow, is it really that hard for dudes? I wipe sitting down. Spread my legs, go in from the front (but don’t wipe toward the ladybusiness, ew). Weirdly, I was the opposite–I wiped standing up when I was a kid, and haven’t done it for years. Hell, I can’t, without some contortions, ’cause like she said–everything’s more spread and accessible when you’re sitting. The only way I could imagine getting the same result is bending over double and somehow managing to reach back, but that turns a simple poo into gymnastic floor exercise or something.
It made perfect sense to me. To be fair, she probably should have said, “while you are still squatting” instead, but the key point of this was to *not* stand up completely before doing the deed.
She would have done well to mention that flushable baby wipes are a butt’s best friend. Using dry toilet paper to get as clean as she says, is going to be uncomfortable, and you risk clogging the loo. Wet wipes take a lot fewer passes to get that clean.
I can personally second all your issues, Bacchus. Although myself, having a small bedroom, just get some water from the tub to wet the toilet paper when I am at home. I avoid number two in public bathrooms like any other red-blooded American, and I am never prepared when fate forces my hand. In addition to being big, I am also hairy. When I wipe I have to mercilessly rip out any hair that has grown back into the unloading zone, lest it collect debris. I think many women who note how long men spend in bathrooms don’t realize how much time is spent on hygiene. However I am not sure that MM is one of these. Sometimes on her blog she make remarks that seem designed to make commenters heads explode.
I´ve never seen this topic discussed before, but it´s… intresting ;) And I´m curious, so if I may ask, how do you do? Stand up? I am a quite petite girl and i have always done the procedure sitting down on the seat, and perhaps leaning a bit forward… I tought everybody did it like this, but I haven´t seen anybody wipe their ass in my presence either (and it´s not something that I´m very keen on experiencing!)
I lift one ample cheek from the seat and lean and it works. Ditto on the wet wipes. And every gal knows you never wipe back to front…it drags nasty bugs into a wet, dark and warm area and can result in bacterial vaginosis (and a good reason to have your partner “end with the end” when you have sex).
It is hilarious to find this being discussed. I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, a small woman and I have always wiped sitting down in *exactly* the manner described by Mistress Matisse. The only other person I have ever seen wipe their ass is my ex-fiance, he wiped standing up, I only ever saw it once and I still think it’s really, really odd! I might start a survey! Or maybe you should bacchus…..
I just lean a little. I shift so that all my weight is on my left cheek so that my right hand has room to come in under my right cheek from the side, not from the back. Of course, I start wiping from the front and go to the back, but access to the area is obtained from the side. This still gives the beneficial spread you get from sitting, while giving room to work.
Hard to say in hindsight, but I think if I was asked to describe something similar as Mistress Matisse did I think I would have just referred to it as sitting. I wouldn’t think of it as leaning unless someone specifically asked details.
I’m a 200lb male. No problems for me to wipe while sitting.
Hrmm, as a man I’m a bit boggled as well, I can’t possibly imagine standing up before doing the ole wipe! I have no trouble whatsoever going in from the front while I’m sitting… Is this just grower vs shower working out in my favor? This all calls for a poll or survey of some kind, I believe…
This is unbelievable. Its not amazing that Jung came up with this idea of synchronicity; it’s that no one wrote about it with such precision prior. In less than a week I’ve come across this exact same blog topic nearly half a dozen times in various forms. What is more odd, to me, is that I wrote a post about taking a shower after every poop but at first decided not to post it where I usually post my sexual rants because I thought it might fall into the ‘too much information’ category. And then the next day read a woman’s post about smegma and so decided to post mine.
“{In part} Back when sex was a several times a day occurrence I got into the habit of taking a shower or bath after every poop. It was the rare girlfriend who ever licked me back there (they all loved getting analingus, mind you, but we all know about women and the–ahem–double standard) but I wasn’t taking any chances. My goodness, I mean your balls (if you’ve got them) are so near to the anus that you’re just leaving a lit fuse untended if you aren’t just really really tidy.
My wife used to think I bathed entirely too often, my first extramarital lover figured it out pretty quickly and appreciated it. Guys are generally better at sucking dick but it’s not worth it because male hygiene can be so–hmm, how to put this?–problematic.”
I do agree on one point, Bacchus, the size of toilet bowls is a sore point for me. When we moved to the present house it had the nice old standard size bowls. When the plumber suggested replacing the one in my bathroom instead of repairing its innards again I was leery and it turns out with good reason–the new one is smaller. If I sit on the thing with morning wood without thinking the tip of my dick is going to get wet (no pissing sitting down even if I wanted to). I think the point of her post isn’t how you maneuver to wipe until the paper is clean but simply that you figure out a way to do it. Little boys do tend to take a single square of toilet paper and wave it in the general directions of their just used butt holes and call it a day. Questionably fine for a four year old, definitely not so pleasant in a grown man. The bowl isn’t the important thing, the wiping is.
Bacchus, as you may have guessed I’m a little slow on figuring out this computer stuff I was going to try to put a link to my ‘aff’ blog but realized I blog under an alias there (because I’m chicken shit and feel my kids and family already know too much about me just from facebook) and decided it would be stupid for me to do so. I list my livejournal address down in the website panel below but livejournal is, of course not really a website. I’m not sure you want to have a link that goes into Adult Friend Finder (I’m a little leery about this myself–I get one or two viewers a day there which is about as much as my constitution can tolerate, I don’t really want to get a lot of traffic and I don’t think either of us want to generate more money for the site.) But this does bring up an interesting subject for Luddites like me–if I want to give you a heads up before I possibly pollute your stream with a link or whatever is there a protocol for submitting the questionable? (More than just taking a dump here, whistling and casually walking away, that is?)
I just lean to the side and for the first wipe do a pinch from both sides (front and back) to make sure no surprises get pushed around.
I have no idea why I do, given that my entire family all sits to wipe, but I have always stood up, for #1 and #2. And until somebody pointed it out, I assumed everybody else did, too. I’ve tried various styles of wiping while sitting, but, oddly enough, all of them leave me feeling less than clean (not to mention they’re just awkward as hell).
It’s always fun to have these discussions online, though- frank, earnest talk about something that is actually pretty intimate and private, much more so than sex, because you rarely poop with other people . . .
Anyways, the most important bit to take from this, to me, is that if you’re going to be engaging in anal play with Mistress Matisse, wiping shouldn’t be your only preparation. Get in the bath or shower, son! Splash some water on (and in) that hole! Hell, how ’bout a wandering finger just to make sure? Or even an enema?
I go in from the front AND from the back. I’m a speshul butt wipin’ snowflake. ;-)
Leaning to the side works fine.
Let’s amp this thread up a notch and introduce The Comfort Wipe:
http://www.yout...xJ1vM
Standing up? STANDING UP? Facing the toilet or facing away? Either way – I can never sit on another toilet seat again, or touch another bathroom floor, unless it’s my own. THIS is why bathrooms have a reputation for being filthy. HOW could you possibly stand up still all messy, wipe, and not get crap (literally) on the seat or the floor at least one time in ten?
No. Matisse is right, though perhaps for the wrong reasons (I think you could probably spread your butt just as well upright as on the throne). Stay on the seat. Don’t hover (unless you have reason, like I do now, and will forevermore). Just lean way forward, or a bit to the side if necessary, and the crack of your ass combined with the lift of your cheeks should provide enough access. If you can’t lean forward or if this really doesn’t work, go in from the front (this is problematic in very tight bathrooms, like miniature portapotties) and just be sure you wipe back to front.
LOL at D. Just exactly how messy do you get?
Wiping is about removing residue from the skin, not scraping off huge lumps that gravity might otherwise get hold of and splatter about.
I am laughing so hard at this. I’m glad you asked for clarification, Bacchus, I wouldn’t want to be confusing.
Lean to one side. I suppose one might say that’s not really sitting, but one half of your butt would still be resting on the seat, so I would call that sitting. ;>
I agree that baby wipes are a great thing. But that seems like the Butt-Wiping 201 level to me. I was simply trying to impress upon men that a careless dab in the general direction was insufficient if you want anyone else to regard the area with erotic interest.
This is not so much an issue to me now, because I have a carefully curated group of lovely clients who are all hip to this. But back in my early days of sex work, when my screening was less stringent – oh sweet dear baby Jesus, it was A Problem. Every sex worker I know has mentioned it at one time or another. It’s a thing.
It’s not just about anal sex, either. If you’re about to give a man a blowjob, and you get your face down there and get a big stinky whiff of unclean ass? That will make a girl reverse her course quickly.
So, hope I made it clearer what I was suggesting. Surely there’s an instructional video on Youtube somewhere?
Heh, glad we could make you laugh.
I’m not sure the leaning business would work for me, but at least now I understand what you’ve got in mind, without having to postulate special powers or hands that can pass through porcelain. ;-)
I use a slightly different position from all of the above comments – I slide forward on the seat so that my “package” hangs over the front of the seat. That gives me plenty of room at the rear to clean. Back to front? Never!
Bacchus, glad to give you a giggle! Let’s see, you ask ‘just how messy do you get,’ to which I guess I must say: not very, but I know not everyone shaves their hiney. Even if gravity would never somehow take a dirty crumb of TP or a dirty crumb of poo from the wiping area to a toilet seat or a floor, I’ll still forever be imagining invisible molecules hurtling through space…
OK, I’ll probably get over it by next week.
I am apparently wildly in the minority here –I stand. And I’ve been following the good Mistress’s orders for years now, and wipe until there’s no evidence.
I am rather petite though, so that may make a difference. Mmhm.
I once heard a woman admit that she stood (squatting) on toilet seats in bars, and that many of her friends did as well. Loosing one’s footing, and having a foot slip in was a common problem, as well as falling off onto the floor while tipsy.
As for the people who always shower after pooping, I wonder if their hosts at dinner parties ever hear them, and wonder WHY on earth they’re bathing (and which towel they will use…), or discover a wet tub after guests leave and wonder what happened in there.
I’m a sit and leaner myself, if we’re still counting…
I must say, I can’t imagine how enormous your package must be if you absolutely cannot reach in from the front. I typically cup my man-bits in my left hand while wiping with the right; my arms cross slightly, since I hold my stuff to the right. I think I usually lift the left cheek just a little, but I can’t confirm that until I actually poop. The important thing to me is that going in from the front lets you keep everything over the bowl while you check – in case the paper slips from your hand or one of the specks of poo D was talking about makes a run for it. While I’ve certainly thought about the cleanliness aspects of what MM’s saying, the mechanics basically developed subconsciously – I might never have realized exactly what I was doing or why until I read this.
Too funny. I am female and I stand – go in from behind. I make two different passes if 1 and 2 are involved, as my technique requires. I have quite the short arms, however; going in from the front is damned nearly impossible. I have never once had poo go anywhere it wasn’t meant to, standing.
Wipe! Crap!
When will you learn to use water before wiping!!
The lack of water in European, American, and almost everybody else’s toilets is a huge assblowing experience for every middle eastern the first time they’re exposed to it.
Those of you who’ve been to the region must have noticed the extra widget in toilet equipment, a fountain, a hose, or even a bucket and mug
Out streets may not be the cleanest, but middle eastern ass shines
Probably because “estamos en el culo del mundo”
;)
Not to hijack the thread, but the new vs old toilets and the “lean to the left” reminds me: Am I the only one who has broken one of these new cheap toilet seats in normal use?
I think there is something wrong but not sure what. I do wonder about folks paying $200k for the house, $20k for appliances and TV. Tricked out bath, except, what’s with the flimsy “padded” plastic toilet seat? You know, the ones that stick to your butt like plastic seat covers? That always seem a bit loose? The Yugo of bathroom equipment?
Perhaps there’s a little adhesion between seat and cheek, then a swivel to reach the roll of paper or a jerky sidewards move into that lean-to-wipe pose, and “snap!” goes the, uh…”hardware.” Sometimes I think a poorly timed sneeze would do it.
I remember houses having wood seats and metal hardware, often brass, and the seat had hard rubber pads that didn’t slide when rested on the rim. Never broke one in my first 40 years. But I killed close to a handful of these home store economy versions.
Look, I don’t know if it’s the the cheap plastic seat coverings adhering to our flesh more as we economize on air conditioning, or if the seats slide around on the bowl tops and over-stress the hinges (the pads are more like ice cubes than non-slip rubber pucks) or if the new hinges are just too weak. They do make “quality” plastic seats that have supports that don’t encourage sideways slide, and hinges of more substance (metal or plastic). You can get the brass and wood, too. But the cheap plastic ones… are they kind of disposable? Or is it poor bathroom layout of the bowl vs paper roll? Maybe one of those “free standing” roll holders (purchased or kludged from a plunger set) will eliminate having to all but reach behind you to grab a fresh handful of paper.
Or have I lost the necessary finess of the powder room?
(Folks in earlier responses said they noticed the main topic being spread to other blogs. Feel encouraged to spread this aspect to appropriate sites if you’ve “been there.” Thanks)
Personally, for the first wipe, I lean forward and to the left and hold the paper in my right hand. Then I rise to a squatting position for subsequent passes, and yes, I continue until the paper comes back as clean as it started out. At home, I tend to do my business first thing in the morning, wipe once, and get in the shower.
I would sit and wipe the entire time, but it’s somewhat painful. I weigh 350 lb and I’m not nearly as flexible as I should be. I have been known to stand up and bend forward at the waist, which helps ‘spread things out’ but doesn’t have porcelain blockage issues.
And I have to disagree with the baby-wipes suggestion. They always leave me feeling, well, un-wiped.
A little saliva spit onto a clean piece of TP will help in a pinch–and the viscosity actually keeps the paper from shredding the way it can with plain water. Doesn’t leave you feeling slimy like moist wipes can, either.
Although everyone I’ve mentioned this to seems inordinately grossed out at the idea. WTF?
YUP, lean to the left and go in from the back. I have had surgery there a few times so I go back after ten minutes and wipe again to make sure nothing has snuck out again. Then I know I am good until next time.